Rebound! February’s median sold price jumped 7.4 percent over January’s $135,000 to return to $145,000. This 7.4 percent increase follows the 12.9 percent fall we saw in January. Volatility is the word of the day. Year-over-year, February’s median sold price is down 9.9 percent.
February’s median sold price per square foot (ppsf) also increased – rising 1.6 percent to $82.12/sf. Sold PPSF is down 12 percent year-over-year.
The number of houses sold in February set another month-specific record. February’s 453 units sold eclipsed the number of houses sold in any other February on record. The increase sales activity, in conjunction with less properties entering the market, has wreaked havoc with inventory levels. At the moment there are only 980 houses listed as Active on the MLS. By itself this number may not mean much, but when looked at alongside the number of monthly sales, one can see that our market is operating with roughly only a two-month supply of inventory. 980 Active for-sale properties is also noteworthy in that this number is lower than the inventory levels the market experienced during the peak of the buying frenzy during the bubble years.
I first brought the dwindling inventory point to light in October – see Looming inventory problem in Reno-Sparks? At that time, the months supply of inventory was at 3.7 months. It is now at 2.2 months. Folks, we’re in a Seller’s market. Of course, the lack of inventory is not seen across all price points, but at and around the median sold price there is shortage of available Active listings. This thin supply is being manifested as multiple offers scenarios, offers over asking price, lower days on market, and higher incidence of cash offers (see Cash is King – more than ever).
Speaking Days on Market (DOM), I see that our MLS has added a new metric to the search results – median days on market. Regular readers know that the DOM number I report has always been an average, rather than a median. That’s because average DOM was the only metric available to me. Not so any longer. I have updated the table below with median DOM going back about a year. I will fill out the remainder of the historical data when I have more time. I have also left the average DOM in place as a comparison to the median DOM. Going forward, I think I will use only the median DOM. This will be consistent with my use of the medians for the other metrics on which I report. Let me know your thoughts on this?
So, looking at the median DOM for February we can see that the trend has certainly been toward shorter times on the market. This is because many of the properties hitting the market are going pending almost immediately – or at least as soon as the Seller chooses which offer to select. February’s median DOM of 99 days is more than two weeks shorter than February 2011’s median DOM of 115 days.
February sales by type break out as follows:
- REO sale: 42% – up from January’s 40%
- Short sales: 28% – down from January’s 37%
- Equity sales: 29% – UP from January’s 22%
Another effect from the low inventory level is that non-distressed home sellers are experiencing greater interest in their for-sale properties – as can be seen in the increase in “equity sales”.
February sales by price band break out as follows in the table below. Note that nearly a quarter of the houses sold in February sold for less than $100,000; 76% sold for less than $200,000; and 92% sold for less than $300,000.
sales price ($000’s) | units sold |
0 – 99 | 100 |
100 – 199 | 241 |
200 – 299 | 74 |
300 – 399 | 17 |
400 – 499 | 7 |
500 – 599 | 7 |
600 – 699 | 2 |
700 – 799 | 1 |
800 – 899 | 2 |
900 – 999 | 1 |
1M+ | 1 |
total | 453 |
For those readers who prefer the median sold price for houses and condos combined, February’s 518 sold houses, condos and town homes exhibited a combined median sold price of $132,750 – UP 6.2 percent from January’s combined median of $125,000 for 518 combined sales.
Historical data follows:
Month Year | # Sold | Sold Price | Sold Price per Sq Ft | Avg/Med DOM | # of Actives | # of Pendings |
Feb 2012 | 453 | $145,000 | $82.12 | 132 / 99 | 980 | 1,788 |
Jan 2012 | 446 | $135,000 | $80.80 | 144 / 122 | 1,170 | 1,643 |
Dec 2011 | 534 | $155,000 | $85.66 | 148 / 123 | 1,403 | 1,481 |
Nov 2011 | 495 | $149,012 | $85.02 | 146 / 114 | 1,545 | 1,635 |
Oct 2011 | 496 | $148,250 | $84.22 | 145 / 106 | 1,682 | 1,646 |
Sep 2011 | 575 | $149,000 | $83.73 | 133 / 106 | 2,044 | 1,967 |
Aug 2011 | 554 | $154,000 | $91.34 | 125 / 98 | 1,947 | 1,694 |
July 2011 | 512 | $149,950 | $87.65 | 128 / 96 | 2,028 | 1,667 |
June 2011 | 538 | $154,000 | $90.12 | 123 / 89 | 1,990 | 1,689 |
May 2011 | 510 | $150,000 | $88.66 | 133 / 104 | 1,968 | 1,682 |
Apr 2011 | 436 | $156,125 | $89.78 | 137 / 104 | 1,914 | 1,593 |
Mar 2011 | 511 | $160,000 | $91.59 | 132 /113 | 1,906 | 1,497 |
Feb 2011 | 387 | $161,000 | $93.35 | 142 / 115 | 1,882 | 1,416 |
Jan 2011 | 365 | $157,000 | $92.35 | 152 / 129 | 1,970 | 1,329 |
Dec 2010 | 485 | $165,000 | $94.31 | 143 | 2,021 | 1,148 |
Nov 2010 | 398 | $170,000 | $96.43 | 139 | 2,060 | 1,376 |
Oct 2010 | 418 | $174,950 | $98.57 | 135 | 2,146 | 1,371 |
Sep 2010 | 467 | $168,000 | $97.52 | 132 | 2,186 | 1,473 |
Aug 2010 | 450 | $180,000 | $97.54 | 127 | 2,222 | 1,513 |
Jul 2010 | 415 | $180,000 | $101.84 | 128 | 2,158 | 1,580 |
Jun 2010 | 602 | $170,000 | $100.52 | 145 | 1,966 | 1,625 |
May 2010 | 450 | $175,807 | $102.37 | 138 | ||
Apr 2010 | 510 | $179,995 | $103.13 | 128 | ||
Mar 2010 | 477 | $175,000 | $99.14 | 141 | ||
Feb 2010 | 338 | $170,000 | $101.68 | 138 | ||
Jan 2010 | 346 | $167,000 | $97.06 | 134 | ||
Dec 2009 | 424 | $178,000 | $101.28 | 126 | ||
Nov 2009 | 461 | $175,000 | $103.61 | 112 | ||
Oct 2009 | 561 | $180,000 | $103.52 | 123 | ||
Sep 2009 | 520 | $185,948 | $103.31 | 128 | ||
Aug 2009 | 482 | $179,900 | $102.64 | 116 | ||
Jul 2009 | 515 | $180,000 | $103.45 | 126 | ||
Jun 2009 | 536 | $180,317 | $104.09 | 136 | ||
May 2009 | 426 | $175,000 | $102.29 | 139 | ||
Apr 2009 | 429 | $190,000 | $105.71 | 133 | ||
Mar 2009 | 369 | $200,000 | $105.85 | 133 | ||
Feb 2009 | 293 | $205,000 | $111.52 | 132 | ||
Jan 2009 | 233 | $200,000 | $113.04 | 117 | ||
Dec 2008 | 294 | $218,950 | $121.74 | 145 | ||
Nov 2008 | 269 | $220,000 | $122.24 | 152 | ||
Oct 2008 | 354 | $230,000 | $131.43 | 144 | ||
Sep 2008 | 358 | $239,250 | $136.72 | 145 | ||
Aug 2008 | 321 | $250,000 | $142.14 | 140 | ||
Jul 2008 | 397 | $251,000 | $145.48 | 139 | ||
Jun 2008 | 369 | $262,500 | $148.05 | 142 | ||
May 2008 | 314 | $260,215 | $152.30 | 134 | ||
Apr 2008 | 314 | $275,000 | $154.05 | 172 | ||
Mar 2008 | 238 | $274,000 | $150.93 | 166 | ||
Feb 2008 | 195 | $289,000 | $156.48 | 149 | ||
Jan 2008 | 165 | $285,000 | $170.23 | 146 | ||
Dec2007 | 228 | $283,950 | $167.22 | 143 | ||
Nov2007 | 204 | $299,750 | $172.24 | 126 | ||
Oct2007 | 241 | $296,000 | $173.55 | 116 | ||
Sep2007 | 230 | $299,945 | $179.46 | 114 | ||
Aug2007 | 311 | $305,000 | $182.49 | 118 | ||
Jul2007 | 300 | $315,000 | $189.78 | 113 | ||
Jun2007 | 329 | $320,000 | $196.78 | 104 | ||
May2007 | 364 | $313,200 | $190.81 | 107 | ||
Apr2007 | 320 | $309,500 | $193.93 | 121 | ||
Mar2007 | 324 | $315,000 | $189.61 | 121 | ||
Feb 2007 | 269 | $315,000 | $191.18 | 126 | ||
Jan 2007 | 245 | $312,900 | $199.79 | 133 | ||
Dec2006 | 291 | $309,000 | $193.51 | 114 | ||
Nov2006 | 281 | $318,000 | $197.32 | 111 | ||
Oct 2006 | 363 | $312,400 | $201.44 | 105 | ||
Sep2006 | 344 | $314,950 | $198.08 | 98 | ||
Aug2006 | 349 | $325,000 | $210.92 | 94 | ||
Jul2006 | 373 | $335,000 | $210.62 | 93 | ||
Jun2006 | 424 | $339,000 | $214.54 | 91 | ||
May2006 | 374 | $339,950 | $219.05 | 99 | ||
Apr2006 | 368 | $334,600 | $212.08 | 88 | ||
Mar2006 | 387 | $340,000 | $215.54 | 99 | ||
Feb 2006 | 283 | $335,000 | $217.29 | 101 | ||
Jan 2006 | 274 | $365,000 | $216.38 | 98 | ||
Dec2005 | 333 | $355,000 | $217.31 | 89 | ||
Nov2005 | 385 | $349,000 | $220.00 | 81 | ||
Oct2005 | 484 | $359,450 | $223.06 | 77 | ||
Sep2005 | 531 | $354,500 | $219.26 | 77 | ||
Aug2005 | 582 | $360,500 | $220.52 | 73 | ||
Jul2005 | 608 | $353,000 | $218.99 | 71 | ||
Jun2005 | 679 | $350,000 | $215.69 | 69 | ||
May2005 | 644 | $333,250 | $209.95 | 68 | ||
Apr2005 | 558 | $326,750 | $207.57 | 77 | ||
Mar2005 | 584 | $325,000 | $200.17 | 81 | ||
Feb 2005 | 342 | $318,500 | $197.54 | 88 | ||
Jan 2005 | 341 | $310,000 | $195.19 | 85 | ||
Dec2004 | 450 | $312,500 | $190.72 | 77 | ||
Nov2004 | 448 | $309,950 | $191.62 | 63 | ||
Oct2004 | 512 | $299,250 | $188.72 | 53 | ||
Sep2004 | 496 | $292,750 | $185.78 | 61 | ||
Aug2004 | 505 | $285,000 | $182.95 | 56 | ||
Jul2004 | 544 | $304,300 | $179.28 | 61 | ||
Jun2004 | 533 | $285,000 | $172.16 | 65 | ||
May2004 | 476 | $278,750 | $169.64 | 65 | ||
Apr2004 | 526 | $259,950 | $158.08 | 67 | ||
Mar2004 | 508 | $245,000 | $142.56 | 71 | ||
Feb 2004 | 365 | $237,000 | unavailable | 81 | ||
Jan 2004 | 380 | $228,500 | unavailable | 78 | ||
Dec2003 | 441 | $240,000 | unavailable | 82 | ||
Nov2003 | 444 | $220,750 | unavailable | 78 | ||
Oct2003 | 430 | $219,880 | unavailable | 76 | ||
Sep2003 | 587 | $223,000 | unavailable | 71 | ||
Aug2003 | 512 | $220,000 | unavailable | 75 | ||
Jul2003 | 533 | $210,000 | unavailable | 77 | ||
Jun2003 | 475 | $207,000 | unavailable | 77 | ||
May2003 | 450 | $198,950 | unavailable | 85 | ||
Apr2003 | 478 | $197,750 | unavailable | 82 | ||
Mar 2003 | 428 | $192,000 | unavailable | 77 | ||
Feb 2003 | 321 | $186,895 | unavailable | 79 | ||
Jan 2003 | 316 | $186,000 | unavailable | 96 | ||
Dec 2002 | 379 | $193,500 | unavailable | 93 | ||
Nov 2002 | 423 | $190,000 | unavailable | 82 | ||
Oct 2002 | 483 | $189,900 | unavailable | 83 | ||
Sep 2002 | 410 | $174,000 | unavailable | 85 | ||
Aug 2002 | 459 | $180,000 | unavailable | 74 | ||
Jul 2002 | 469 | $176,000 | unavailable | 83 | ||
Jun 2002 | 445 | $185,000 | unavailable | 80 | ||
May 2002 | 470 | $178,450 | unavailable | 77 | ||
Apr 2002 | 360 | $169,500 | unavailable | 93 | ||
Mar 2002 | 377 | $169,000 | unavailable | 84 | ||
Feb 2002 | 323 | $170,900 | unavailable | 89 | ||
Jan 2002 | 269 | $172,475 | unavailable | 99 | ||
Dec 2001 | 287 | $182,000 | unavailable | 86 | ||
Nov 2001 | 323 | $161,500 | unavailable | 85 | ||
Oct 2001 | 357 | $166,500 | unavailable | 79 | ||
Sep 2001 | 355 | $168,000 | unavailable | 81 | ||
Aug 2001 | 448 | $160,350 | unavailable | 84 | ||
Jul 2001 | 433 | $169,900 | unavailable | 90 | ||
Jun 2001 | 426 | $166,225 | unavailable | 96 | ||
May 2001 | 404 | $162,050 | unavailable | 97 | ||
Apr 2001 | 370 | $158,750 | unavailable | 94 | ||
Mar 2001 | 385 | $159,900 | unavailable | 97 | ||
Feb 2001 | 297 | $159,950 | unavailable | 104 | ||
Jan 2001 | 264 | $165,000 | unavailable | 102 | ||
Dec 2000 | 272 | $156,500 | unavailable | 100 | ||
Nov 2000 | 355 | $154,500 | unavailable | 93 | ||
Oct 2000 | 348 | $153,000 | unavailable | 98 | ||
Sep 2000 | 356 | $160,000 | unavailable | 104 | ||
Aug 2000 | 412 | $163,375 | unavailable | 94 | ||
Jul 2000 | 368 | $155,000 | unavailable | 110 | ||
Jun 2000 | 466 | $165,845 | unavailable | 104 | ||
May 2000 | 363 | $158,000 | unavailable | 105 | ||
Apr 2000 | 312 | $155,000 | unavailable | 113 | ||
Mar 2000 | 339 | $162,700 | unavailable | 102 | ||
Feb 2000 | 248 | $148,000 | unavailable | 108 | ||
Jan 2000 | 223 | $156,000 | unavailable | 113 | ||
Dec 1999 | 264 | $155,000 | unavailable | 118 | ||
Nov 1999 | 293 | $149,900 | unavailable | 98 | ||
Oct 1999 | 289 | $147,895 | unavailable | 108 | ||
Sep 1999 | 311 | $157,000 | unavailable | 106 | ||
Aug 1999 | 360 | $148,500 | unavailable | 112 | ||
Jul 1999 | 375 | $147,800 | unavailable | 105 | ||
Jun 1999 | 372 | $150,000 | unavailable | 103 | ||
May 1999 | 307 | $145,500 | unavailable | 106 | ||
Apr 1999 | 324 | $151,700 | unavailable | 111 | ||
Mar 1999 | 308 | $151,000 | unavailable | 121 | ||
Feb 1999 | 249 | $148,900 | unavailable | 120 | ||
Jan 1999 | 210 | $143,000 | unavailable | 115 | ||
Dec 1998 | 265 | $140,000 | unavailable | 118 | ||
Nov 1998 | 280 | $152,800 | unavailable | 126 | ||
Oct 1998 | 286 | $142,825 | unavailable | 115 | ||
Sep 1998 | 279 | $144,500 | unavailable | 102 | ||
Aug 1998 | 331 | $145,000 | unavailable | 113 | ||
Jul 1998 | 335 | $150,000 | unavailable | 108 | ||
Jun 1998 | 351 | $148,500 | unavailable | 103 | ||
May 1998 | 302 | $145,500 | unavailable | 99 | ||
Apr 1998 | 237 | $148,000 | unavailable | 110 | ||
Mar 1998 | 271 | $141,990 | unavailable | 115 | ||
Feb 1998 | 204 | $139,000 | unavailable | 125 | ||
Jan 1998 | 167 | $147,000 | unavailable | 129 |
Note: The medians table above is updated on a monthly basis. The median home price data reported covers the cities of Reno, Nevada and Sparks, Nevada [NNRMLS Area #100]. Residential data includes Site/Stick Built properties only. Data excludes Condo/Townhouse, Manufactured/Modular and Shared Ownership properties. Data courtesy of the Northern Nevada Regional MLS – March 2012. Note: This information is deemed reliable, but not guaranteed.
Related post: January median sold price, units, DOM, $/sq.ft.
Reno Ignoramus
Guy, can you give us the breakdown, by price band, of the asking prices for those 980 active listings? That would be very useful info. I would like to see what the current inventory looks like in terms of the asking pricing structure.
Thanks Guy.
Raymond
With all due respect, Guy, it is absurd to say that we are in a seller’s market if we look at the market in its entirety. We are in a seller’s market for houses at the median, around $150K. Beyond that, this is anything but a seller’s market. For houses above $300K, we are in an absolute drought. Only 8% af all sales last month were for more than $300K. Hell, only 25% of all sales were for more than $200K.
ALPS
Funny how for all the shortage of inventory, and all the bidding wars, and all the cash drenched buyers competing with each other in this seller’s market, YoY the median is down 10%.
Funny.
Tim
Raymond,
There is little activity above $300k, and there likely won’t be for a very long time. That does not mean that the market as a whole is not showing signs of improvement. Yes, there is still huge shadow inventory, but the high number of sales/month, combined with the higher median is a good sign. There won’t be a healthy market above $1M for a few decades, either. But that doesn’t mean the market as a whole cannot improve.
Like in 1999 with the Nasdaq, or in 2006 with housing, everyone was a permabull — at the exact worst time to be invested in either. Now, in housing, everyone is a permabear. Is it the worst time to buy (or a good one)?
I predict no V-shaped recovery, but the risk of buying now is about as low as it has been in the last 10 years. Seller’s market/buyer’s market, it don’t matter. If you find a good house that you like and you can afford the payment, it ain’t a bad time to buy.
joey
ALPS,
Lower prices are the solution, not the problem. Volume is likely up BECAUSE of the lower prices. That ain’t necessarily a bad thing.
Norton
The market “as a whole” is NOT showing improvement. The market “as a whole” is down 10% YoY in price. I know that sometimes facts get in the way of broad generalizations.
Guy Johnson
Sure thing, R.I.
Unbelievably, those 980 Active listings I spoke of just three hours ago, are now down to 968. Twelve more properties went pending – that’s four/hour.
Here’s your breakdown…
0-490K: 8
50K – 99K: 78
100K – 149K: 134
150K – 199K: 133
200K – 249K: 134
250K – 299K: 84
300K – 349K: 54
350K – 400K: 66
400K – 499K: 60
500K – 599K: 42
600K – 699K: 27
700K – 799K: 23
800K – 899K: 21
900K – 999K: 15
1M+: 89
ALPS
joey, I could not agree with you more that lower prices are the solution. I’m in total accord with you. My point was what with all the hype about no inventory, and bidding wars, and cash drenched buyers, one would have thought that we had a very lit up market, which clearly we do not. Lit up markets do not drop 10% in value a
year. What we have is a market that has lit up activity at a very narrow price point, around $150K. Beyond that, the market is decidely not lit up.
Reno Ignoramus
Thanks Guy for that info. Very helpful. Very interesting. I think we are about to learn something quite interesting over the next several months. That is, what will happen when all the $150K, more or less, houses are gone? Will buyers be willing to pay more? Or, will buyers not be able to pay more?
Much has been made, rightly so, over the past several months about all the investors in the market buying up houses to rent. At some point, houses become too expensive to purchase as a rental. At what point is that? Is it fair to say that when we reach that point, the investors will diminish as a force in the market? Then all that will be left are people who want to buy a house to live in. What can these buyers afford and what can they qualify for? And, ultimatley, what will they be willing, and able, to pay?
Interesting times on the horizon now.
E.Edward
Its a Miracle,
Yep inventory is drying up, Prices are on there way back up, Next thing you know the speculative builder will be back in droves!
Better get out there and do battle on those 200 or so Bank Owned listings… .. Up that offer….. LOL
Hurry your missing the boat!
Of course there will be that small problem of the tidal-wave of choked-off looming inventory an when all said and done will be counted in the thousands!
Are these people ever gonna learn??
ab284=moratorium=more nod’s=more foreclosures=lower prices= more long term pain!
Martin
It does not matter how low the $15o,000 inventory goes. It can even disappear. A total lack of $150,000 inventory will not turn a $150,000 buyer into a $200,000 buyer. If 150 is all he can pay, then 150 is all he can pay.
The only way the 150 buyer is going to support the market once we run out of 150 houses is if we bring back the nothing down, interest only, neg-am, no-doc liar loan. Sure, if we start handing out $400,000 loans to keno runners again, the sky is the limit!!
Where have you gone WaMu, and Country Wide, and Ameriquest? The realtors turn their lonley eyes to you.
Twister
With all the negative sentiment out there, its like the mirror image of 2006…..a change has come.
Joe
Why is it assumed by so many that everyone buying a house is borrowing the max that the bank will lend them? Am I the only one that knows of 150k recent buyers who could have been 200k buyers? and that would’ve been had there been no 150k homes they liked.
Rubiconer
Hell, if sales continue at 453 a month, there will be no houses at all on the MLS by the second week of May. None. Zippo. That’s what Guy suggests when he tells us there is only 2.2 months of inventory in the entire market. Which means all the $1 million and over houses will be gone too. So I guess we all ought to expect to see about a 400% increase in the median over the next 75 days.
Some might detect something of a flaw in that suggestion, but don’t want to be negativo.
Don
Actually, if houses are disappearing from the MLS at the rate of 4 an hour as Guy says in his response to RI, then we will be completely out of houses in about a month. All those high end sellers, who have had their house on the market for the last 3 years, without even having any lookers, are finally going to get buyers, in the next 30 days, as people realize that they better buy now because by April 15, there will not be a single house available in Reno and Sparks. What a great time to be a seller of a $500,000 house!
ToddR
The house across the street from me has been on the market at $225K for 18 months. The owner is going to wet his pants when he realizes that every remaining house in Reno will be purchased in the next 30-60 days. Really amazing to see a market where price is no object.
booch221
One swallow doesn’t make a summer…
Sully
A cold winter!
It was autumn, and the Red Indians asked their New Chief if the winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Red Indian chief in a modern society, he couldn’t tell what the weather was going to be.
Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he replied to his Tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect wood to be prepared.
But also being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked ‘Is the coming winter going to be cold?’ ‘It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold indeed,’ the weather man responded.
So the Chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more Wood. A week later, he called the National Weather Service again. ‘Is it going to be a very cold winter?’ ‘Yes,’ the man at National Weather Service again replied, ‘It’s definitely going to be a very cold winter.’
The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of wood they could find. Two weeks later, he called the National Weather Service again. ‘Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?’ ‘Absolutely,’ The man replied. ‘It’s going to be one of the coldest winters ever.’
‘How can you be so sure?’ the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, ‘The Red Indians are collecting wood like crazy.’
This is how the markets work!!! 🙂
Twister
Boy that Sully is funny and a lot of free time on his hands! Native Americans are pretty smart about the natural world…doubt they need a weatherman to tell them which way the winds about to blow.
Matthew
Sure, it’s a seller’s market if you want to sell your property for half of what you paid for it…
Mashed Potatos
If you bought your house in 2006, you can sell it for 35-40% of what you paid for it depending upon where it is located.
Unless it is a condominium, then, depending upon where it is located, you can sell it for about 25% of what you paid for it.
Remember it was the realtors who said you can’t ever lose money buying a propoerty in Reno.
Carol
Is there anybody left who bought a house in 2006 who still owns it? Those are the people who owe $450,ooo on their $200,000 house. Haven’t most of them just walked away by now? Why continue to pay when the house will NEVER be worth what is owed on it?
Why not just stop making the payments and wait for the sheriff to evict you after the foreclosure? Oh wait! The banks cannot foreclose now because of AB284! On second thought, let’s just continue to live here for free for 2-3 years until this AB thingee gets worked out.
Anybody who thinks this market is on the verge of getting healthy is delusional.
SMM
I know plenty of people who bought at or near the peak of the market and still live in their house. It’s called a moral obligation to pay the debt that you signed up to repay. Luckily with HARP 2.0 right around the corner and the LTV requirement lifted those of us that have tried to do the right thing will finally be rewarded with a lower rate/payment.
Matthew
SMM you have no moral obligation. A mortgage is a contract.
It has been an option from day one to stop paying, lose your investment and give up the asset.
This works as long as people have skin in the game… when we expanded things like 0% down (which is still going on!) this balance got turned on its head..
The only moral failing is to stop paying *and* to insist that you should be able to stay in your home or that banks should be compelled to renegotiate with you.
Likewise, when things like AB284 prevent the legal and contractual response of a default we are open for even more abuse.
Matthew
RI, people seem to be biting on that… I put in a cash offer last week on an REO and I got the “multiple offers, highest and best!” line from the listing agent.
The townhouse was listed at $65,000 and the “highest and best” offers topped $80,000
There are plenty of fish in the sea, but people are still getting loans with no money down so….
I’m looking into purchasing at the courthouse steps… this “highest and best” bidding war on REOs is a waste of time.
Tim
Considering the source, I think people ought to sit up and read RI’s last. It’d be tantamount to the Bantering Bear saying the same thing. For those newbies out there, it was RI and BB screaming to the masses at the top of the bubble that …. it was a bubble.
I agree with the spirit of what RI is saying, if not the magnitude. While I do see appreciation over the next 10 years, I’d put it more at 1-3% per annum than 10%.
Still, something to consider. I think real estate in Reno is cheap. People are out there making money, and probably don’t have time (or desire) to contribute to this blog.
SMM
Sure…if you want to mangle your credit. Not worth it on an 800+ FICO and a house and neighborhood we like. I might rent it out, but not walking.
Matthew
SMM… I have good credit too and I understand what you’re saying about not wanting to mangle your score… but that’s not a moral obligation.
We’re in this situation *not* because people with 800’s were living in long-term homes but because people with 600’s were getting Uncle-Sam loans.
Now that loan volume has decreased I keep hearing about these “greedy bankers” not wanting to make loans… so it’s only a matter of time before the next round of credit interventions.
Reno Ignoramus
Nice try, Matthew, or Tim, or whoever.
To all the readers of this blog:
Please know that somebody, at 2:58 pm today, posted under my name to the effect that I think it is now time to buy. I think that long time readers of this blog would know that I would never start out a post with something as inane and stupid as “Ok boys and girls”.
Nor would I ever make the equally stupid and inane suggestion that real estate is going to return 10% a year over the next 10 years.
SMM
Ahh, fair enough…I’ll rescind the “moral” obligation statement. However, I think you see my point.
Matthew
RI, lol what?
I *did* think that post was a bit out of character for you!
Nonetheless, there is smart money to be made, but I don’t buy into Guy’s “seller’s market” opinion.
E.Edward
Well there’s good news here and bad.
If your a delinquent loan, your probably rent free for the next 18 months+ { all hail the welfare regime.} Yes there’s probably never been a better time to stop making that payment on that underwater mortgage!
However, If you were hoping to buy a home, well your probably going to have to pay more for now!
Tim
You know what, I feel really stupid. I, too, fell for the imposter posing as RI. Anybody who has read RI’s many comments over the years could tell he doesn’t talk in such ways as “I’m not kidding” and “that’s my prediction” and “I really mean it”.
Sorry RI, and while I think the market may be nearing a bottom, I too agree that Guy’s “seller’s market” is just realtor spin.
Tim
Great,
Now somebody used my name to post at 1232 a.m. I did not write that. And at certain price levels, it is a seller’s market. Do we need the RRB Police to start verifying emails?
Move to Reno
The new Nevada law has put a cork in the foreclosure pipeline but that doesn’t mean that when the NODs start flowing again that prices will drop. The national economy is recovering and after 5 years of barely any new construction AND a lot of housing stock bought by investors for rentals, there could be a new balance of REOs and demand for them. Stay tuned for further news by Guy.
MikeZ
This could be the bottom!
joey
yea right! I was going to buy another rental property later this year. Now it looks like I might have to wait until next year since there is NOTHING out there that fits my criteria at the moment. I have ab284 to thank for that!
Ed
lots of inventory out there. i like stead
SerialBottomCallers
How could somebody, especially a REALTOR like Guy, possibly come to the conclusion that there’s a price rebound when prices are down 10% YOY? Furthermore, how many times have people called a bottom? I guess credibility means nothing.
E.Edward
MikeZ says:
“This could be the bottom!”
Really? hows that? and what exactly are you basing that comment on?
booch221
@ Move to Reno:
It doesn’t matter what the national economy is doing, it matters what the Reno economy is doing. Location. Location. Location.
Is the population increasing or decreasing?
Are incomes rising or falling?
What’s the unemployment rate?
Move to Reno
@ booch221
The national economy definitely effects the local Reno economy but probably the biggest outside force on the direction of Reno’s housing market is the state of California’s economy.
Even if Reno’s population remains stable for the next 10 years, that population will be moving. Folks moving out and folks moving in. Definitely the folks who have been renting or living with relatives will consider buying a house as well as people who want to move up.
Unemployment is trending down, very slowly. While I suppose income growth is flat or slightly dropping, home mortgages and housing prices have dropped big time. Affordability is very high right now.
Move to Reno
Reno’s housing affordability ratios.
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/affordability/nevada/reno/
Matthew
Move to Reno,
It issue with our housing problem is that we are “repairing” it with hair of the dog.
Nevada (and most other states) have a tremendous amount of people relying on government assistance for their income. The participation rate is down, snap enrollment is up and part-time employment is up.
If a median is going to increase it will be because investors are competing for the rental inventory or because this country has *again* artificially lowered lending requirements. The fact of the matter is that it’s a bit of both right now.
With the “solutions” being pushed by our legislators like AB284 to obstruct legitimate foreclosures and and increase in cap gains rates you can expect the investor volume to recede a bit as their ROR will stall.
That leaves the other outcome: increasing artificial federal lending subsidies again…. and as long as we’re going to blame the bubble on “evil greedy bankers” that seems like a great idea, right?
MikeZ
How could somebody, especially a REALTOR like Guy, possibly come to the conclusion that there’s a price rebound when prices are down 10% YOY?
If you’re waiting for a full year of appreciation first, then when you finally recognize it, you’ll already be one year late.
MikeZ
Reno’s housing affordability ratios.
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/affordability/nevada/reno/
Thanks for the link. Good data. Bookmarked.
Move to Reno
Matthew,
Being a long time reader of this blog, I think that I have a pretty good idea what caused the housing bubble. Ultimately, it comes down to supply and demand. Right now housing is selling for below replacement value and affordability is high. Plus supply has been pinched. So the way I see it is that those folks with a steady job who want to buy first time or to move up are going to provide a bottom for the current market, at least until the NOD pipeline starts flowing again. Who knows what will happen then since things change.
Steve Watts
Move to Reno, Reno-Sparks unemployment went up in Ren-Sparks for January: 13%. Carson City up to 13.5%.
Move to Reno
Clearly, the unemployed are not going to be buying any houses anytime soon. However, the 87% that are employed are viable candidates. I don’t expect the housing market to re-inflate but to bounce along the bottom for some time. Probably a window of opportunity for equity sellers to take a loss or break even and move on before the NOD pipeline starts up again.
Be interesting to know what percentage of buyers are from out of state.
booch221
Not all the 87% that are employed are viable. Some of them took BIG pay cuts when they reentered the work force. Some have a huge backlog of bills to pay, damaged credit, and may not qualify for the stricter lending standards of today.